Alright, time to explain myself in great deal..

[Kaida Windthrust]

All of you(or most all of you) know who I am so I will skip the introductions. This thread explains, or attempts to, my ideals,goals, and why certain things have happened thus far. As we all know I have a guild in Twisting Nether, on the alliance side. This was to make up for my lack of recreating "The Frozen Inn" as a guild whole. Yes, I know it's not the same since you were supposed to make them BOTH on the same server, but WHY on a PvP server? If you wanted to meet to hang out together why not just try a normal RP server?

These questions and more require answering from people as a whole, now to explain what certains words and phrases I said really meant, and no some things are not as evil as you think. Let's start with Werras, former leader of "The Frozen Inn", yes I did say he was a coward, but not in the sense you think. He was a coward in that he decided to take the easy way out of leading his guild, He was really busy or so he said and I can understand that, and yet he could have given leadership to the next in command and STILL stayed watchful over the Inn as representative. Werras is a fine man, but still....he could have decided on a better course of action.

Now that that is out fo the way let us talk about Togo(or Togos your pick). Togo is indeed an upstanding leader, but before we get to this let me explain a little more in-depth of WHY I did what I did a few days ago when I got kicked out, and YES it was intentional. You see Werras just came to the Horde side mumbling about "The Frozen Inn' and I asked if I could help him rebuild it, of course he refused and asked me to post elaborate detaisl up here, which I am and have done. So I figured, "Well, I need to have my hands free to take up this monumental task, and have no regrets at the same time." Thus began my dissention from the ranks, yes I did act all haughty and it was intentional, I thought Togo knew and would understand, but all I got out of it was people who couldn't understand simple facets of things and thus became mean and disgruntled with me. Togo just did anything a leader might have done...that is really all he did, and I accept this fact for what it's worth.

To sum it all up, I don't know why you hate me, I TRIED to make ammends I really did and any of you are free to come join my knights in the Nether realm. SO in the end I hope this cleared up a lot more and should leave guess work to a minimum. Your hate is overall un or less justified then you might think. If you have questions or need anything esle explained just ask.

(Mister Parox, please don't post crap or I may just make you Delete your character by refering to us in the same sentence -_^)

And remember folks..KEEP THIS CIVIL!! No need to let things escalate out of proportion

[Valar]

Yes, I know it's not the same since you were supposed to make them BOTH on the same server, but WHY on a PvP server? If you wanted to meet to hang out together why not just try a normal RP server?

Heres an easy one, because we enjoy PvP as well as RP.

Let's start with Werras, former leader of "The Frozen Inn", yes I did say he was a coward, but not in the sense you think. He was a coward in that he decided to take the easy way out of leading his guild, He was really busy or so he said and I can understand that, and yet he could have given leadership to the next in command and STILL stayed watchful over the Inn as representative. Werras is a fine man, but still....he could have decided on a better course of action.

Tell me, how many people were left on the Alliance side of TFI when Werras decided to go Horde? Six. Six total people had messaged me when I was temporary leader even after the fact I had posted on this forum and the Maelstrom forum telling all interested to whisper me in-game to get an invite. Werras wasn't being a coward, he saw what you refuse to see. The Alliance side of TFI was/is dead. The only way we could all be together in the same community was to roll Horde. Now who's at fault? Well, not anyone in particular. Many people decided to re-roll Horde for whatever reason, leaving only a few left as Alliance. Now if you want to try to revive TFI Alliance on another server, be my guest, but the whole point was so that we could play together and schedule RP events. (I'm not really sure why you decided to do this on another realm in the first place.) Werras isn't a coward, all he did was jump a sinking ship.

Now that that is out fo the way let us talk about Togo(or Togos your pick). Togo is indeed an upstanding leader, but before we get to this let me explain a little more in-depth of WHY I did what I did a few days ago when I got kicked out, and YES it was intentional. You see Werras just came to the Horde side mumbling about "The Frozen Inn' and I asked if I could help him rebuild it, of course he refused and asked me to post elaborate detaisl up here, which I am and have done. So I figured, "Well, I need to have my hands free to take up this monumental task, and have no regrets at the same time." Thus began my dissention from the ranks, yes I did act all haughty and it was intentional, I thought Togo knew and would understand, but all I got out of it was people who couldn't understand simple facets of things and thus became mean and disgruntled with me. Togo just did anything a leader might have done...that is really all he did, and I accept this fact for what it's worth.

I don't understand this at all. If you wanted to 'descend down the ranks' all you had to do was say you wanted out and why. You didn't have to insult people or try to recruit us to get us mad so we would kick you out. All you had to do is tell us that you wanted to try to rebuild the Alliance side and there would have been no hard feelings whatsoever. But that's when you decided to insult pretty much every member on at the time, harass us in our own channel, and refuse to leave. That's why people are pissed, not because you decided to rebuild.

[Zuedra]

What's the point of posting this exactly? To "redeem" yourself? To make us "care"? Honestly these forums are for TFI and not create more drama.

Can you stop posting drama threads please? Or posting drama posts?

[Werras]

Drama drama drama. I feel like I'm back on the VNBoards for Dark Age of Camelot. Kaida, I'm not even going to give your ignorant position a complete rebuttal, because I"ve had to do so several times already. I'll just answer some new points you made, however incorrect they are. I never came on WoW mumbling about TFI, I answered questions that were put forth to me. That's when you began with your tiresome "crusade", and I answered all of your belligerant questions, trying to explain the decision, until finally I had to ask you to take it to the forums so I could have some peace.


I didn't take the easy way out. Trust me, I really, really wanted to play on the Alliance side and lead the fine members of TFI (Which, by the way, I had been doing for over a month now, a fact you can't seem to get through your skull). Nothing would have given me greater enjoyment then to be the Guild Leader. However, by the time we got to server launch, that had become impossible. If we continued on the path we were on, we would end up in all sorts of different guilds, disconnected, and alienated from this great community.

Therefore, I made the decision to give up the Alliance side, give up my position as guild leader, with the knowledge that most, if not all, of TFI would do likewise (many already had). I gave up what I had so that the players I had promised my leadership to would not be cheated out of experiencing this community.

I still can't understand why you purposefully acted like an idiot in-guild. From your post, it sounds as if you're trying to get us to beleive you did so to make a point. Personally, I think you just did it to try and appear shunned for "standing up for what you believe in", which you weren't. Ever.

Wow, that went a lot longer than I had hoped. Stop stirring up trouble, Kaida, or you will find yourself officially not welcome here. :Sheriff:

[Kaida Windthrust]

geez........still some hostility..just drop it people, if you want to post here don't be so hostile, and no this is not a chance to "Redeem" myself, I owe you a more thourough explanation..so I botherd to type it.

Geez, I don't know WHAT your problem is if you let hostilities come on to a guild chat board, Just drop them before you type out comments.

Wow, miste rWerras, you haven't been very informed and your guesswork bites -_-, I did it because i WANTED to..nothing more. Why don't you just accept this fact for what it's worth?

Drama my foot.......I posted this because I thought you required a MORE IN-DEPTH explanation, I just did it because I thought I owed something, since I never bothered explaining it before. Ah yes, feel free to close or delete this thread if it bothers you so much...if it bothers you oh so much..just explaining myself. And yes all of you made valid points except Zuedra and I will consider these points further, thank you for posting.

[weegeeee]

This is sickening... STOP BICKERING PEOPLE



Just my $0.02

[Parox]

Kaida I can't stop you from posting here, I wish I could but I can't...I'm not an admin. Also, I know we have our differences but would you do one favour for me, would you type in a way that doesn't make my eyes hurt from trying to follow your sentences.

[Kaida Windthrust]

You know...me and Parox go wayyyy back, when World War VII started....and yes Parox I love you too :)

[Zuedra]

Btw, drama = posting:

1) I'm sorry threads
2) Let me explain threads
3) Any thread that could bring on an argumentative response

It is clearly all of the above. But there is no point to explaining yourself. We all know your story, and we all somehow comprehended it.

Hell even if Werras DID take the easy way out, who else would care other than you and Bread? I wouldn't care.

This is just a gathering of people playing a GAME. A GAME!! If Werras was the president of a country and the country needed him, and suddenly Werras left, THEN YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED.

Werras for President!

[Tinker]

Bread, I think i speak for everyone when I say: Shut the hell up.

You've had you chance and, for whatever reasons, you blew it. End of story. Nobody cares. You don't ned to justify what you did because doing so won't change anything. You're over. You are done.

Now leave, not much else you can do.

[Valar]

Bread, I think i speak for everyone when I say: Shut the hell up.

What did Bread do? :Shocked:

[Tinker]

Kaida = Bread, or whatever

[Zuedra]

Whoa wtf>!!?!?! I never knew that.

[Tinker]

Actually, maybe not. Hell, who cares.

[Zuedra]

lol. I sure don't. He sure acts like him

[Kaida Windthrust]

hmm..Argumentative...actually it's not, this is a thread to DISCUSS things..your the one turning it in to a dang hostile fiesta. Hmmm, Yes I know who Bread is, but why would i be bread and vice versa? Besides, "bread" isn't really a name i would choose for my forum name....I would stop making completely unfounded accusations, and stay on the subject at hand, mister Tinker. Of course I think I already got the answers I require......

[weegeeee]

Like I said before...




WHO CARES ABOUT THIS WHOLE DEAL!!!!!!!!

[Rysidion]

Don't you guys think you are being a bit too hard on Kaida...she tries to explain, states CLEARLY that she doesn't appreciate flames in her thread, yet you still don't seem to care about others. Does this portray the Frozen Inn in the light we want it...? Don't bring up things of the past...let it go, let Kaida get a new start, and everything will be happy-go-lucky.

Please, don't flame me because I'm standing up for the one I believe is right.

[Tinker]

I'm not flaming, I'm just tired of the whole deal.

It's over. It's done.

Togo kicked Kaida out of the guild and he's not going to let him back in. As far as I am concerned this matter is closed.

[Kaida Windthrust]

I'm not flaming, I'm just tired of the whole deal.

It's over. It's done.

Togo kicked Kaida out of the guild and he's not going to let him back in. As far as I am concerned this matter is closed.

Look, I NEVER talked about you LETTING me BACK in to the guild, I am through with "The Bloodmoon Tribe" as a whole, but honestly why have this forum if there IS no TFI...or any guild to take it's place for that matter. All I am asking is for you to forgive past transgressions and perhaps if you still like alliance come have fun with my troupe on Twisting Nether. I didn't ask for anyones flames, I asked for civil explanations of my questions and any thoughts you had thereof.

All in all this forum and guild has pontential, but if you let minor conversations and questions get to you, how much better are you then I was a week ago? Think about it...and weeegee is right in some regards.

[Tinker]

The whole point is it isn't getting to us. This whole problem is like an itch on my back that I can't reach: ANNOYING.

>_>

[Kaida Windthrust]

The whole point is it isn't getting to us. This whole problem is like an itch on my back that I can't reach: ANNOYING.

>_>

It's not getting to you, or you are just not wanting to understand it....there are many conclusions I wonder which is real.

[Tinker]

Oh just shut up.

[Encedelv]

To be honest, I think this thread is a waste of forum space. It has done nothing but drenching flame with alcohol.

Kaida, Werras didn't take the "easy way out." He has the rights to act however he wants to, and among them is the privilage of resigning. You simply expect too much from him. As you should know, TFI/TBT is a community, and the title, "guild leader," means nothing special. Many former members of the alliance rerolled as a new member of the horde and hence, there were nobody willing to take the place as a guild leader. If anyone should be blamed, it has to be all of us for forsaking TFI in the first place.
I am through with "The Bloodmoon Tribe" as a whole, but honestly why have this forum if there IS no TFI...or any guild to take it's place for that matter.
Why do you care?
hmm..Argumentative...actually it's not, this is a thread to DISCUSS things..your the one turning it in to a dang hostile fiesta.
Right, and you're our primary source of fuel. I'm surpised this thread isn't locked up yet.

[Valar]

It should be locked.

Kaida, you've made your case here. We know you'd like anyone interested to join you on the Nether realm and you've explained your statements/actions.

You need not do anything more, the ball is in the court of anyone who is interested in your 'guild/community'.

[weegeeee]

Kaida, I would like to join you on the Alliance, I miss them /cry

[zeeg]

The Frozen Inn is based on Maelstrom.

End of discussion.